Autumn refresh for GWR Class 165/166 Turbos

[Siemens Staines]

Presumably 5Q81 was 166209? At a guess, one of 166208 or 166218 or 166219 is 5Q70?

 

[CR165022]

Now that the blues are done, are the already green 166s going to be repainted as well? I would assume that they'd be due a fresh repaint soon as its been around 8 years since their last one.

 

[FGW_DID]

Presumably 5Q81 was 166209? At a guess, one of 166208 or 166218 or 166219 is 5Q70?

166209 > SPM
166218 > Wolverton

Now that the blues are done, are the already green 166s going to be repainted as well? I would assume that they'd be due a fresh repaint soon as it’s been around 8 years since their last one.

No, internal work only if they’re already green.

 

[Siemens Staines]

166209 > SPM
166218 > Wolverton

Thank you for this information

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Unrefurbished 166208 is stuck at Fareham making the most horrendous racket.

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[fgwrich]

Unrefurbished 166208 is stuck at Fareham making the most horrendous racket.

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Common for some of those frustratingly, along with the horrendous whining fan in the FC compartment.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I believe there is a problem with 166219 ex Taunton which is being taken off diagram at Bristol TM and replaced with an 802 to work the return. The Cardiff part of the outbound and inbound is thus cancelled.

 

[Recessio]

Finally travelled on a refurbed unit today, I think they are fabulous and GWR have done a great job. It makes them feel a lot newer than they actually are (and makes me sad at how bad the SE Networkers are in comparison).

Only complaint is that a few of the hopper windows clearly weren't sealing properly, you could hear the wind coming through, even though they were locked shut. That won't do much good for the air cooling system. Surprised they didn't replace them with non-opening windows like Chiltern.

Also none of the electric points were working at first, but the guard was able to reset them when I asked (maybe a fuse had tripped?)

 

[fgwrich]

Finally travelled on a refurbed unit today, I think they are fabulous and GWR have done a great job. It makes them feel a lot newer than they actually are (and makes me sad at how bad the SE Networkers are in comparison).

Only complaint is that a few of the hopper windows clearly weren't sealing properly, you could hear the wind coming through, even though they were locked shut. That won't do much good for the air cooling system. Surprised they didn't replace them with non-opening windows like Chiltern.

Also none of the electric points were working at first, but the guard was able to reset them when I asked (maybe a fuse had tripped?)

That costs money though, and given that it seems these were done to a lower spec than originally planned (eg a Refresh than a Refurbishment that changed anything), it's all the DfT would allow to be spent.

 

[3973EXL]

166205

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 0813 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 14/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0850 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 20/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1403 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 20/01/2024

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5Q81 0850 Wolverton - SPM dep 0841
5Q70 1403 SPM - Wolverton dep 18 late.

 

[CR165022]

166205

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 0813 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 14/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0850 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 20/01/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1403 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 20/01/2024

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5Q81 0850 Wolverton - SPM dep 0841

166211 coming back, no 218 yet. 214 & 217 are the 2 green ones not out today so I assume it'll be one of those 2 going later.

 

[Deepgreen]

166209 > SPM
166218 > Wolverton


No, internal work only if they’re already green.

Would have been useful if they had at least applied the class 769-style yellow external first class demarcation... That livery showed that GWR recognised the need for better marking, but it seems they won't bother again?

 

[CR165022]

Would have been useful if they had at least applied the class 769-style yellow external first class demarcation... That livery showed that GWR recognised the need for better marking, but it seems they won't bother again?

The 166s don't operate any services with first class onboard so why would they add the markings for it?

 

[Deepgreen]

The 166s don't operate any services with first class onboard so why would they add the markings for it?

I didn't think it had been formally declassified - if it has, my comment doesn't apply. The 165s still need it, though.

 

[CR165022]

I didn't think it had been formally declassified - if it has, my comment doesn't apply. The 165s still need it, though.

Yeah, its just the Reading based 165/1s that have 1st now.

 

[Siemens Staines]

166211 coming back, no 218 yet. 214 & 217 are the 2 green ones not out today so I assume it'll be one of those 2 going later.

166214 is allocated to 2U24 this evening so I guess that means 5Q70 was 166217?

 

[FGW_DID]

166214 is allocated to 2U24 this evening so I guess that means 5Q70 was 166217?

If it is 217, it’s been a last minute change, all the movement notifications have had 214 pencilled in.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 1250 Doncaster Works Wagn Shops to St Philips Mrsh H S T D | 03/02/2024

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166203
11 early Hexthorpe Jn

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0850 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 07/02/2024

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5Q81 dep 0838 166218

Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1504 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 07/02/2024

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5Q70 dep 1448

 

[Train Boy]

5Q70 dep 1448

For the record, this was 166214.

 

[CR165022]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0850 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 07/02/2024

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5Q81 dep 0838 166218

Ok so 166218 hasn't been repainted, as expected, but has gained those new door/bodyside markings that the repainted ones have.

 

[Snow1964]

Ok so 166218 hasn't been repainted, as expected, but has gained those new door/bodyside markings that the repainted ones have.

The ones showing the seat numbers nearest each door ?

Pointless, as every 166 route operates with unallocated seat reservations as they have discontinued old system, and not added electronic traffic light displays like 802s have instead

 

[3973EXL]

166208

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 0933 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 11/02/2024

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[CR165022]

The ones showing the seat numbers nearest each door ?

Pointless, as every 166 route operates with unallocated seat reservations as they have discontinued old system, and not added electronic traffic light displays like 802s have instead

Yeah, these ones. Whilst the seat numbers are pointless on them, the other info such as luggage spaces, priority seating does make sense to have on there.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0854 Doncaster Works Wabtec to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 16/02/2024

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166205
5Q81 dep 120 late

 

[fgwrich]

Yeah, these ones. Whilst the seat numbers are pointless on them, the other info such as luggage spaces, priority seating does make sense to have on there.

It looks even more ridiculous sticking them on the doors (and ends up looking odd when the doors are swapped / removed / replaced). The original 'flag' style looked better.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0849 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 22/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1507 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 22/02/2024

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[FGW_DID]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0849 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 22/02/2024

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Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1507 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 22/02/2024

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166217 > SPM.
166213 > Wolverton.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0845 Doncaster Works Wabtec to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 24/02/2024

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5Q81 Caped

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 0931 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 25/02/2024

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5Q23 Caped

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0748 Doncaster Works Wabtec to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 02/03/2024

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5Q81 dep 0719 166208

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 1055 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 03/03/2024

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5Q23 dep 1026

 

[CR165022]

Realtime Trains | 5Q23 1055 St Philips Mrsh H S T D to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops | 03/03/2024

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5Q23 dep 1026

5Q23 166207

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q81 0849 Wolverton Centre Sidings to St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh | 08/03/2024

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5Q81 dep 0832

Realtime Trains | 5Q70 1507 St Philips Marsh Depot Fhh to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 08/03/2024

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5Q70 dep 1528