HamworthyGoods
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I'm guessing it's been a very long time since both driver and guard were killed in an accident.
Great Heck in 2001 sadly claimed the lives of the GNER Driver, Guard and Chef
I'm guessing it's been a very long time since both driver and guard were killed in an accident.
But the reversal at Carmont would have been under the direct control of the signaller, in the box at the crossover. I don't think we can make any assumptions about the role of GSMR based on the reversal.That seems perhaps a bit unlikely if the driver had only shortly before been presumably communicating with his control room and the signalman to change direction and shunt the train on to the other line in the same sort of area?
Not really sure how to express what I'm feeling, other than sadness - my thoughts are with everyone involved & everyone in the industry at least.
I'm sure if there was a failing in GSM-R automation ( would the rear power car be able to make a panic call by itself? ) then the RAIB will have suitable recommendations.
Indeed that’s an important point, things like this wouldn’t put me off using railways. They are extremely safe.Still, trains remain a safe way of travel, despite infrequent tragic incidents like this. Hopefully this does not alter perception too badly in the public eye, as I'm sure lives are saved by the railways giving people the option to not drive on motorways or into the middle of busy cities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p08ng0v8/53751678
Looking at the footage, I'll be surprised if the deaths remain lower than three. This is a big one. Doesn't look like the train held up too well in the crash.
Still, trains remain a safe way of travel, despite infrequent tragic incidents like this. Hopefully this does not alter perception too badly in the public eye, as I'm sure lives are saved by the railways giving people the option to not drive on motorways or into the middle of busy cities.
The BTP announcement’s wording a couple of hours ago said they believed everyone has been accounted for, and the six taken to hospital were not seriously injured..https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p08ng0v8/53751678
Looking at the footage, I'll be surprised if the deaths remain lower than three. This is a big one. Doesn't look like the train held up too well in the crash.
Still, trains remain a safe way of travel, despite infrequent tragic incidents like this. Hopefully this does not alter perception too badly in the public eye, as I'm sure lives are saved by the railways giving people the option to not drive on motorways or into the middle of busy cities.
HM Coastguard are cat 1 under the civil contingency plans. As well as water, mud, line rescue, search and helicopter capability, they can allow other agencies to use their 4x4 off road vehicles for access - useful asset!How come coastguard vehicles are being used?
Given this is the first time a passenger on a train has died in a rail accident for 13 years I think there will be major changes to to the way railways are run to stop this happening again.
Given this is the first time a passenger on a train has died in a rail accident for 13 years I think there will be major changes to to the way railways are run to stop this happening again.
The BBC 1746 update is still fairly categoric that the train was heading south when it derailed. I take it that’s considered wrong?
Yeah, bit like air travel, has a bad wrap despite being statistically safer than road transport.Indeed that’s an important point, things like this wouldn’t put me off using railways. They are extremely safe.
It is very possible. Hopefully those who were landed in a way as to reduce injury.Would it likely be the case that the staff were upright and passengers sitting down at the time of the incident?
Such a horrendous situation. Thoughts with all you guys this evening.
That's good. Maybe the saving grace is that not many people are on the train due to the situation with Coronavirus.The BTP announcement’s wording a couple of hours ago said they believed everyone has been accounted for, and the six taken to hospital were not seriously injured..
Yeah, bit like air travel, has a bad wrap despite being statistically safer than road transport.
Idk, monitoring and securing ground around the tracks. I don't know what the result of the investigation will be, but I wouldn't be surprised if they conclude a more modern train would have held up better.Of course something like this is tragic, but how on earth can any number of major changes guard against a sudden landslip (if that proves to be the cause)?
Very true.[USER=27187]Bletchleyite[/USER] said:Air travel is an odd one. You get extremes - those who think every time they get on a plane it's going to crash, and those who understand it is very safe. Almost nobody in the middle.
From memory, the recording part of the OTMR is in the power car luggage van on Angel Trains power cars (as these two are), so good chance it will have survived. In any case a download will be done on the rear power car which will confirm parameters such as speed, brake position etc.Hopefully this OTMR survived the fire in the front power car. Just looked them up on Wikipedia..
Obviously any accident is one too many, but nature has a way of undoing anything humans do to make things as safe as possible. One silver lining (if that's the right term) is that there weren't many people on board, which at least puts an upper limit on the number of lives affected by this tragedy. Again that's little consolation to those who have been affected. My deepest condolences to those who've lost people in this horrific way.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p08ng0v8/53751678
Looking at the footage, I'll be surprised if the deaths remain lower than three. This is a big one. Doesn't look like the train held up too well in the crash.
Still, trains remain a safe way of travel, despite infrequent tragic incidents like this. Hopefully this does not alter perception too badly in the public eye, as I'm sure lives are saved by the railways giving people the option to not drive on motorways or into the middle of busy cities.
Awful news today, but the fact this is the first fatal accident for well over a decade demonstrates how incredibly safe this industry is.
Air travel is an odd one. You get extremes - those who think every time they get on a plane it's going to crash, and those who understand it is very safe. Almost nobody in the middle.
Idk, monitoring and securing ground around the tracks. I don't know what the result of the investigation will be, but I wouldn't be surprised if they conclude a more modern train would have held up better.
They can't, of course. The only changes could be site-specific strengthening or drastically-reduced network-wide speed limits. The latter will be impractical and will not have a business case based on the present rate of fatalities from this cause (if assumptions are correct, of course).Of course something like this is tragic, but how on earth can any number of major changes guard against a sudden landslip (if that proves to be the cause)?
I disagree - I think the vast majority of people who fly don't really give the matter much thought one way or the other.Air travel is an odd one. You get extremes - those who think every time they get on a plane it's going to crash, and those who understand it is very safe. Almost nobody in the middle.