Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[365 Networker]

the brake pads need changing far more often than their /0 and /1 counterparts

Couldn't that be sorted by re-enabling the dynamic brake?

 

[Class 466]

Couldn't that be sorted by re-enabling the dynamic brake?

It’s notoriously unreliable on Met Cam units.

 

[365 Networker]

It’s notoriously unreliable on Met Cam units.

Ok, thanks for the info.

 

[Roast Veg]

If I remember the explanation previously given, it didn't play very nicely with the substations at various places. Theoretically the standard renewal process will have weeded out quite a few places where the regen brake would previously have needed isolating, but I strongly suspect that the work required to recommission the regen brake after so long and then test it is really not worth it compared to "they're leaving soon anyway".

 

[365 Networker]

If I remember the explanation previously given, it didn't play very nicely with the substations at various places. Theoretically the standard renewal process will have weeded out quite a few places where the regen brake would previously have needed isolating, but I strongly suspect that the work required to recommission the regen brake after so long and then test it is really not worth it compared to "they're leaving soon anyway".

There were actually a few odd units with the dynamic brake on a few years ago - here is a video:-

So that suggests that infrastructure is not as much of a problem - but possibly the units themselves? I don't know if there are any odd units left with the dynamic brake on.

 

[Roast Veg]

I remember them all (or quite a number) being active when I was a child, but then I also remember the 4CIGs at a similar time. "Not playing nice" with the supply is what I remeber being said - but you're really testing my ignorance now!

A pity, because I adore the sound of the GTOs.

 

[365 Networker]

I remember them all (or quite a number) being active when I was a child, but then I also remember the 4CIGs at a similar time. "Not playing nice" with the supply is what I remeber being said - but you're really testing my ignorance now!

A pity, because I adore the sound of the GTOs.

You may be interested in this DVD then:-
The Sliding Door DC EMU South Eastern Class 319 - 700 (1986 - 2019) 4 Disc Set (videoscene.co.uk)
It contains many videos showing 465s back in the 90s with their dynamic brakes and even some of the 365s when they where on DC.

 

[Class 466]

There were actually a few odd units with the dynamic brake on a few years ago - here is a video:-

So that suggests that infrastructure is not as much of a problem - but possibly the units themselves? I don't know if there are any odd units left with the dynamic brake on.

This was using rheostatic braking rather than regenerative (both are forms of dynamic braking). Regenerative would cause issues with the infrastructure on these, however rheostatic releases that energy as heat, and they were never that good at dispelling all that heat afterwards.

 

[Roast Veg]

To tell you the truth I never knew they had rheostatic brakes - I assumed they didn't because the radiators weren't obvious.

 

[rdlover777]

RoG 37601 & 707006 have performed a coupling test today in Gillingham

And a shot of 707006 at the depot


Image sources

https://twitter.com/AlistairDusty/status/1377569986420609029

https://twitter.com/AlistairDusty/status/1377626545058152456

 

[D365]

It’s notoriously unreliable on Met Cam units.

Might explain why the GEC-motored 365s have it disabled, but off-topic of course.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Two unbranded 707's @ Wimbledon (depot) today (visible from the main lines and suburban lines)......One looked like 707008...Couldn't see the other...This was about 9:10am...Also, a 456 on the same road horrifically graffitied on one whole coach...Horrendous...

When I got back at just after 1pm the 707's had gone…

 

[Gag Halfrunt]

The graffitied 456 has its own thread.

Vandalised 456

Just going past Wimbledon Depot as I type this and there is an absolutely unrecognisable 456 parked with so much multi-coloured graffiti on one carriage you cannot see any of the livery. It looks absolutely wrecked! Does anyone know which one it is, out of curiosity?

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[ComUtoR]

Can you wash it before sending it over please.

 

[brad465]

Yes as it happens I went past Gillingham Depot earlier today and saw a 707 there, although until seeing this update assumed they'd been going there a while relatively speaking.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Two unbranded 707's @ Wimbledon (depot) today (visible from the main lines and suburban lines)......One looked like 707008...Couldn't see the other...

If they've stuck to the plan that was posted on here recently, the other should have been 707 007 shouldn't it?

Can anyone verify if the plan is still as it was?

 

[Chiltern006]

yes it is the current plan, with 009 and 010 due in July

Path in for tomorrow's move

Realtime Trains - 5X20 0007 London Waterloo to Grove Park Down C.H.S.

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Recessio]

Can you wash it before sending it over please.

Wouldn't put it past them to just vinyl over the dirt

 

[mister-sparky]

There’s a 707 stabled at Ashford, couldn’t see the unit number, are they just here for storage or something else?

 

[ComUtoR]

yes it is the current plan, with 009 and 010 due in July

3/4 (at Ashford)
5/6
7/8 due at the weekend
9/10 due (if your plan is correct) in July

Where are 1/2 ? Are they not coming over in order or are 1/2 held back for a specific reason ?

Cheers in advance.

 

[swt_passenger]

There’s a 707 stabled at Ashford, couldn’t see the unit number, are they just here for storage or something else?

They’re doing gauging and training runs out of Ashford as per a number of earlier posts in this thread, certainly not just storage.

 

[ComUtoR]

They’re doing gauging and training runs out of Ashford as per a number of earlier posts in this thread, certainly not just storage.

No guaging runs.

 

[swt_passenger]

No guaging runs.

Probably better to have said platform interface measurement then, wasn’t that mentioned earlier?

 

[ComUtoR]

I don't believe any platform testing has been carried out yet.

The unit at Ashford is currently being used for Shunter training.

 

[JammyJames08]

There were actually a few odd units with the dynamic brake on a few years ago - here is a video:-

So that suggests that infrastructure is not as much of a problem - but possibly the units themselves? I don't know if there are any odd units left with the dynamic brake on.

That is correct, 5 were selected for testing (901/906/913/916 and 928) in about 2017, it didn’t last long and by mid 2018 it was discontinued, 916 was the only unit I drove with it working, sounded like the old days post delivery!

I saw 707006 on test at gravesend yesterday.

 

[365 Networker]

by mid 2018 it was discontinued

What sort of issues were found? I understand some trains have problems with heat when using rheostatic brakes.

 

[ComUtoR]

I saw 707006 on test at gravesend yesterday.

On its way to Gill for the coupling test as posted above.

 

[JammyJames08]

What sort of issues were found? I understand some trains have problems with heat when using rheostatic brakes.

I don’t know, we weren’t told why it was discontinued.

 

[Class 466]

707007/008 are with southeastern, 6 units down, 24 to go. Thing to keep an eye on next is the Networkers.

 

[brad465]

707007/008 are with southeastern, 6 units down, 24 to go. Thing to keep an eye on next is the Networkers.

Are there any withdrawal plans finalised for them yet, or do we at least know when 707s will start being deployed into passenger service? I'm guessing something will have to go into storage if 707s start running fully in the next few months given Chart Leacon hasn't looked ready when I've passed it recently.

Which, come to think of it, where are 707s being stored at the moment while on test duties (apologies if I've missed this in previous discussion)?