Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

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ComUtoR

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So SE have 3/4/5/6/7/8 and now 9/10 Any reason why 1/2 haven't gone to SE yet ?

Still looking to be blue for the livery......
 

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So SE have 3/4/5/6/7/8 and now 9/10 Any reason why 1/2 haven't gone to SE yet ?
Guessing really, but it might be to do with their relative positions in the maintenance cycle. Units 1 and 2 were used for type approval, including the AC running which IIRC turned out to have a few false starts. So they weren’t the first units into service, I think they only started running in passenger service about half through the class introduction.
 

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I’d happily take the 319s back. The 700s are a dull, soulless experience.
You're welcomed to having crush loaded Class 319s leaving people behind at stations.

It's a commuter train. I'll take dull and soulless but able to get on and not sweat out 5 litres on my journey home over a 'characterful' 319. The whole point of them is mass transit, which they do really well.
My point exactly, I commute on them daily and they're a big improvement on previous trains.
 

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You're welcomed to having crush loaded Class 319s leaving people behind at stations.


My point exactly, I commute on them daily and they're a big improvement on previous trains.
I commute on them daily too and would agree, if only for the AC (on days like this especially). That said I get a declassified first class seat every day and am only on there for 15 minutes. I might feel differently if i was travelling from Brighton or Huntingdon. The reality is somewhere in the middle ground - they are better than the 319s but a wasted opportunity to create a high quality passenger experience for longer distance passengers. In my view it was a mistake to think the same train could serve the needs of the Sutton/Wimbledon and Catford loops and of long trips as far as Cambridge and Liittlehampton.
 

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Can we stay on topic please? Feel free to create a new thread (if there isn't one already) to discuss anything else :)
 

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There's a great video on the transition of the units from SWT red to SER blue here.
Finally a unit in blue! Interesting that they are installing patterned seats like on the Connex 375s and the seat handles are orange, again like the 375s and 465s used to be in yellow door days gone by. I would have thought they would have gone for the newer blue line seats on the refurb 375s and Networkers, accompanied by blue handles. Still nice though! :wub:
 

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Won't be long now as it be September 11th I've heard they be in passenger service.
 

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Interesting that the seat covers look more like the 700/717s rather than SE in the original graphics.
 

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Does seem weird to go to that effort inside on a 3 year old train when the networkers really could do with some TLC (even a deep clean would be good) as could 376s after 17 years.

No passenger is going to care about red seats.

The threadbare, filthy and falling apart seats on other stock?
 

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If the train sets had a conscience I'd expect the 376s would be livid that they continue to plod along with no livery or interior work done while the 707s come in and get all this straight off, even amidst the uncertain franchise future.

EDIT: Looks like me and ScotGG were thinking on similar lines at once.
 

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Does seem weird to go to that effort inside on a 3 year old train when the networkers really could do with some TLC (even a deep clean would be good) as could 376s after 17 years.
376s are definitely the ones in dire need of attention externally as well. A train in ex-stagecoach colours is apparently far worse than one running in ex-connex livery…
 

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Isn’t it silly repainting trains when the railway is going to be completely rebranded soon (GBR)
 

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So at last proof to the doubters that the trains are being re-liveried (and in blue, not white) and receiving new seat covers. :D
Rather wasteful in the current situation but fear not the taxpayer can pay for this when other trains are in a poor condition.
 

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Does seem weird to go to that effort inside on a 3 year old train when the networkers really could do with some TLC (even a deep clean would be good) as could 376s after 17 years.

No passenger is going to care about red seats.

The threadbare, filthy and falling apart seats on other stock?
Agreed. NO Southeastern commuter will get on a 707 and recoil in disgust because the seat covers are SWT ones

A ridiculous waste of money when you see how shabby the Networkers and especially the 376s are, especially as the 707s are currently only a short term solution before a full Networker replacement plan is worked out
 

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Its a shame the hand rails are staying orange. Would be far better if they were in SE blue to match the 375s
The whole process of repainting handrails is actually rather expensive. They have to be removed then be treated with a special coating.

As I understand it wasn't done on SWR's Desiros due to time and cost and I imagine it's the same here.

Agreed. NO Southeastern commuter will get on a 707 and recoil in disgust because the seat covers are SWT ones

A ridiculous waste of money when you see how shabby the Networkers and especially the 376s are, especially as the 707s are currently only a short term solution before a full Networker replacement plan is worked out
Yes, the SWR 707s still look like new trains inside. I had to laugh when on one of their recent videos SE said they were going to deep clean the interiors of the 707s. They don't need deep cleaning - but the Networkers certainly do!

Those SWT seat covers, still in good condition, will be of no further use to anyone. A waste.
 

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