No, 5R00 has been there for a long time which is a 375 move, and only runs as required. Look out for 5Qxx moves for 707s.https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G68239/2021-01-29/detailedP Im assuming this is a 707 move?
I was about to post this myself!Not sure if this has been posted already, but they are going to Gillingham to be wrapped in blue SE vinyls.
Could it be possible that was there before anyway in case a 376 ended up there for some reason? I know they can do Gravesend services, where some of those services originate from empty stock moves from Gillingham, and may sometimes be a 376 or two?I'm sure I saw a 5 car stop mark at Gillingham recently...
I wonder if that's just there in case a 376 ends up there. There are stop markers for all kinds of units you wouldn't usually expect in various places, presumably because a stop marker is so cheap and it would be stupid if management had to say "We have a train to run this service which we thought we'd have to cancel, but we can't run it for lack of a small metal plate at Gillingham"I'm sure I saw a 5 car stop mark at Gillingham recently...
Could it be possible that was there before anyway in case a 376 ended up there for some reason? I know they can do Gravesend services, where some of those services originate from empty stock moves from Gillingham, and may sometimes be a 376 or two?
It was certainly possible to find 376s on a Higham terminator in 2004 while the Higham-Strood tunnel was shut, but I'm unaware of any going to Gillingham in passenger service.didn't 376s do the Charing x to Gillingham service pre may 2018?
I wonder if it was done by an enthusiast or by depot staff?Meanwhile at Waterloo earlier, I noticed this scribble on 707020
(in the dirt, someone has written “Off To South Eastern”)
Spotted a 707 stopped just to the south of Chislehurst Junction today. They’re out and about!
Why are they in a poor state?707s will be the last train to depart from SWR (an extension has been signed on their lease).
Due to the poor state of the 458s, they are now planned to be the first trains replaced - hence the choice to introduce 701s first on the Reading line.
Despite some comments on this forum to the contrary the cleaning of these units is fine, actually better than under SWT.Why are they in a poor state?
They have recently been rebuilt and refurbished around 4 years ago unless FG reputation for maintaining and cleaning has kicked in since then
In 2016 the class won Silver at the Golden Spanner awards for most improved fleet but clearly gone backwards since thenDespite some comments on this forum to the contrary the cleaning of these units is fine, actually better than under SWT.
They remain SWR's most unreliable units, as they were under SWT.
Most improved. It's all relative and in this case the class moved from very poor reliability to just poor. The 458s have never been since the 5-car conversion.In 2016 the class won Silver at the Golden Spanner awards for most improved fleet but clearly gone backwards since then
Well in 2020 awards they went down from 22k to 18k per incident the 455's were at 29k by comparison. Plenty more 1st Gen EMU's were below the 458's so hardly rubbish to see them just scrapped.Most improved. It's all relative and in this case the class moved from very poor reliability to just poor. The 458s have never been since the 5-car conversion.
They are way past their best if you have to work with everyday. They are going to be baked bean cans and washing machines soon enough. No amount of arguments here will change that.Well in 2020 awards they went down from 22k to 18k per incident the 455's were at 29k by comparison. Plenty more 1st Gen EMU's were below the 458's so hardly rubbish to see them just scrapped.
Did I miss the post suggesting they be scrapped?Well in 2020 awards they went down from 22k to 18k per incident the 455's were at 29k by comparison. Plenty more 1st Gen EMU's were below the 458's so hardly rubbish to see them just scrapped.
Did I miss the post suggesting they be scrapped?
Put some batteries under them and Southern can have them for the Uckfield line so 171s can be released.If they're not being leased and used with SWR, I don't see them having much future other than scrap. The market for 100m, 75mph, third rail, (not overly reliable) EMUS doesn't really exist
Precisely. If theres no market for a fleet of AC 4/5 car 332 built at a very similar time then there's no market for a knackered DC only fleet. The only current place/stock requirement that was left to fill in 3rd rail land has been taken by the 707 going to SE.If they're not being leased and used with SWR, I don't see them having much future other than scrap. The market for 100m, 75mph, third rail, (not overly reliable) EMUS doesn't really exist
DofT can create a market by how it decides to run things. BR wouldn't have junked them that easily but then they have no funds to build the level of new stock they desired hence why hand me downs to the North became the norm. So if treasury squeeze DofT they will be required to rethink there approach. They have relied upon franchises taking on the lease liabilities to keep costs off govt books im not sure this works in a concession model so in long run all these liabilities will end up back on govt books.Precisely. If theres no market for a fleet of AC 4/5 car 332 built at a very similar time then there's no market for a knackered DC only fleet. The only current place/stock requirement that was left to fill in 3rd rail land has been taken by the 707 going to SE.
Personally SWR should never been allowed to go 701 route and even now i would reassign the 701's to SE to replace networkers and told SWR to use what they have, including 707's, as Stagecoach proposed.
Precisely. If theres no market for a fleet of AC 4/5 car 332 built at a very similar time then there's no market for a knackered DC only fleet. The only current place/stock requirement that was left to fill in 3rd rail land has been taken by the 707 going to SE.
We've been through this so many times in various threads on this forum.Personally SWR should never been allowed to go 701 route and even now i would reassign the 701's to SE to replace networkers and told SWR to use what they have, including 707's, as Stagecoach proposed.