Because 'the unions have us by our nads' isn't acceptable to put on social media responsesTFW say they are following Welsh Government guidance. If anybody can find a link to some of their Welsh Government guidance decisions, please post them.
Because 'the unions have us by our nads' isn't acceptable to put on social media responsesTFW say they are following Welsh Government guidance. If anybody can find a link to some of their Welsh Government guidance decisions, please post them.
My subtle point was that on a Pacer, guards need to leave their cab and enter the saloon at every station to work the doors. So every time a guard leaves the cab, by this logic, they are 'risking' 'exposing' themselves to Covid, where as the only time drivers on Pacers risk 'exposing' themselves to Covid is when they get on and off the train at the start and end of their turn. Unless of course guards are also refusing to work Pacers and are staying on the 150/153 in a Sprinter/Pacer formation, leaving Pacers unmanned on the Valleys now.Guards are staying in the rear cabs and not doing ticket checks. TFW seem to have gone over the top or call it thorough as can see in not calling at certain stations if shorter platforms. As an example, Yorton and Conwy only have 2 Car trains calling.
It's the same with 158s though, and they get around that by taping the rear doors off to prevent passengers from using them. In reality it's probably fairly low risk, especially if they're wearing PPE (face masks) and sanitising their hands regularly.My subtle point was that on a Pacer, guards need to leave their cab and enter the saloon at every station to work the doors. So every time a guard leaves the cab, by this logic, they are 'risking' 'exposing' themselves to Covid, where as the only time drivers on Pacers risk 'exposing' themselves to Covid is when they get on and off the train at the start and end of their turn. Unless of course guards are also refusing to work Pacers and are staying on the 150/153 in a Sprinter/Pacer formation, leaving Pacers unmanned on the Valleys now.
It's all very silly. If drivers are at risk from Covid just by working double Pacers, where does that leave supermarket workers, who are directly mixing with the public every day in their jobs? They aren't represented by powerful unions and are low paid workers, so they just have to get on with it.
It's the same with 158s though, and they get around that by taping the rear doors off to prevent passengers from using them. In reality it's probably fairly low risk, especially if they're wearing PPE (face masks) and sanitising their hands regularly.
From my personal observations, on a 143+150 combination, the guard will work the doors from the cab of the 150 that is attached to the Pacer. When double Pacers were used, they worked the doors from the back of the train. The rear set of doors was protected by a chain across the aisle near the tip up seats. I've not observed what happens on a 143+153 combination.My subtle point was that on a Pacer, guards need to leave their cab and enter the saloon at every station to work the doors. So every time a guard leaves the cab, by this logic, they are 'risking' 'exposing' themselves to Covid, where as the only time drivers on Pacers risk 'exposing' themselves to Covid is when they get on and off the train at the start and end of their turn. Unless of course guards are also refusing to work Pacers and are staying on the 150/153 in a Sprinter/Pacer formation, leaving Pacers unmanned on the Valleys now.
It's all very silly. If drivers are at risk from Covid just by working double Pacers, where does that leave supermarket workers, who are directly mixing with the public every day in their jobs? They aren't represented by powerful unions and are low paid workers, so they just have to get on with it.
Low risk? With the number of passengers currently travelling on trains, I'd say it's 0.01% riskIt's the same with 158s though, and they get around that by taping the rear doors off to prevent passengers from using them. In reality it's probably fairly low risk, especially if they're wearing PPE (face masks) and sanitising their hands regularly.
Personally I think my (non-rail) union is running around like headless chickens over this issue. They're pushing for a ban on face to face teaching, which I infinitely prefer to online. While their attention is focused on this, my employer is getting away with things like ramming through a massively detrimental change to our expenses policy with no union pushback whatsover.Some services do get quite busy, especially short formed units as Wales is out of lockdown & schools / university students are back.
Plus not everyone is working from home, so services going to large English cities like Manchester & Birmingham do get busy at times at peak times still. Not anywhere near pre covid times levels of passengers, but higher than 0.01% quoted figure.
Isnt it the unions main objective to protect its members & until the vaccine is rolled out, I'm glad the unions are strong in this matter personally.
Like I said, I think this issue needs some perspective. There are supermarket and shop workers who must spend hours each day they are in work surrounded by the public. Teaching staff at many universities are being forced to teach in person seminars with students, the age group that recently saw a massive rise in Covid cases.Some services do get quite busy, especially short formed units as Wales is out of lockdown & schools / university students are back.
Plus not everyone is working from home, so services going to large English cities like Manchester & Birmingham do get busy at times at peak times still. Not anywhere near pre covid times levels of passengers, but higher than 0.01% quoted figure.
Isnt it the unions main objective to protect its members & until the vaccine is rolled out, I'm glad the unions are strong in this matter personally.
I presume you mean 142069? Given 067 was sent for scrap in January.I haven't seen any official documents but more than one source states that TFWs 142010, 14072 and 142082 have been withdrawn and to be followed by 142077 on Saturday and 142067 on Monday. The remainder of the 142 fleet to go progressively by December 12th
I presume you mean 142069? Given 067 was sent for scrap in January.
Cancellations due to fleet/resource availability this morning and yesterday. Sounds like the Pacers are very much still needed.
Hi - just jumped over to this thread from the Northern Pacer withdrawal thread. Forgive my lack of knowledge, but is it the case that both 142s and 143s still in action with TfW, and 142 likely to end on dec 12th but 143s stay longer? - or have I misunderstood gist of recent posts up thread (apols but due to related tangential chat I suspect I've missed key posts on this very question!)
Thanks!Start reading from Post #193 onwards for the story. Basically, the withdrawal of 142s has started and they will all go progressively by 12th December. A number of 143s will probably continue into 2021
Does anyone have information on the very last working?
Appreciate the info mate, cheersIt probably won't be known until the last day itself. 142s first to go and probably December 12th if they haven't all finished before then and perhaps a number of 143s into 2021
If you could do this daily until the end it would be very welcome.There certainly seems to be less and less diagrams now. Looking at Genius for today only 9 Tfw pacers look to be out. 8 paired with 150s and 1 (143625) with a 153.
142069 on Penarth to Merthyr/Aberdare
142073 on Penarth to Merthyr/Aberdare
142077 on Rhymney to Bridgend
142085 on Rhymney to Bridgend
143606 on Pontypridd to Barry Island
143607 on Penarth to Merthyr/Aberdare
143608 on Penarth to Merthyr/Aberdare
143616 on Penarth to Merthyr/Aberdare
143625 on Rhymney to Bridgend