TPE Liverpool-Newcastle via Manchester Victoria

[yorksrob]

There's certainly a Huddersfield-Leeds stopper that's gone in the morning peak but it's difficult to say whether things are worse without looking at specific journeys, given that the stations on the local route between Huddersfield and Leeds aren't exclusively served by Huddersfield-Leeds stoppers. There may be options for changing at Mirfield and Dewsbury which some of the people complaining don't realise.

For my evening journey, there used to be a Huddersfield stopper connecting nicely with the Walkden train. This has now been pushed back so I have a half an hour wait at Vic.

 

[northwichcat]

Wonderful...Dewsbury ends up with the arse end of the deal

But the residents of Dewsbury now enjoy the delights of a direct service to Hull.

 

[Thomas6187]

Fast, but nothing exceptional - 33 minutes.

A faction quicker than Northern's Saturday only flyer, booked for 36 Minutes but did it in 34 minutes on the Saturday just gone

 

[pdq]

The 1641 MAN to DEW and on to Hull is now a 6 car 170. I think it's fair to say there was plenty of room last night. This photo is the front carriage on arrival at Dewsbury.

 

[northwichcat]

The 1641 MAN to DEW and on to Hull is now a 6 car 170. I think it's fair to say there was plenty of room last night. This photo is the front carriage on arrival at Dewsbury.

What was it like leaving Leeds though? There's only one journey option to get between Leeds and Howden/Brough/Hull between 17:00 and 18:00 which is that train.

The 16:48 Scarborough-Liverpool service I caught last week had plenty of empty seats leaving York but between Leeds and Manchester empty seats were difficult to spot. The conductor went through between York and Leeds and removed seat reservation tickets which only applied to the Scarborough-York section, which was a sensible move.

 

[Searle]

But the residents of Dewsbury now enjoy the delights of a direct service to Hull.

A great service from one arse of a town to another

 

[Dunc108]

I imagine the services from Blackpool - Huddersfield & Huddersfield - Wigan are still the motley collection of 142's, 150s and the odd 156.. Interesting to note a new 15,xx Southport - Leeds via Huddersfield in the new timetable, I'm sure this originally terminated at Huddersfield if my memory is correct and it was often 2x142 operated, not sure what the diagrammed unit will be now..

Just what everyone needs, even more bouncy bouncy over the Standedge route! LOL

 

[Crossover]

Does that mean the teatime 'extra' up the Penistone line no longer runs at all?

I'm not sure to be honest. I'd have thought not but who knows :P

But the residents of Dewsbury now enjoy the delights of a direct service to Hull.

Fulfilling a demand that doesn't exist :P
At least, on the plus, we rid ourselves of Middlesbrough :P

The 1641 MAN to DEW and on to Hull is now a 6 car 170. I think it's fair to say there was plenty of room last night. This photo is the front carriage on arrival at Dewsbury.

6 car 170 - wow!!!

A great service from one arse of a town to another

Shush :P

 

[northwichcat]

I imagine the services from Blackpool - Huddersfield & Huddersfield - Wigan are still the motley collection of 142's, 150s and the odd 156.. Interesting to note a new 15,xx Southport - Leeds via Huddersfield in the new timetable, I'm sure this originally terminated at Huddersfield if my memory is correct and it was often 2x142 operated, not sure what the diagrammed unit will be now..

Just what everyone needs, even more bouncy bouncy over the Standedge route! LOL

The fact it still misses out Marsden and Slaithwaite may indicate that the train formation is too long for those 2 stations (3 cars being the maximum length they can take.)
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I've noticed TPE have made another change to move towards with the long term plan - Scarborough services now call at Garforth.

Blackpool – Blackburn – Burnley – Bradford – Leeds - York – Scarborough diesel service, stopping Garforth only between Leeds and York.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The fact it still misses out Marsden and Slaithwaite may indicate that the train formation is too long for those 2 stations (3 cars being the maximum length they can take.)
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I've noticed TPE have made another change to move towards with the long term plan - Scarborough services now call at Garforth.

Garforth does appear to be quite well thought of by the senior figures of First TPE, noting it to be be a residentiary of the professional classes employed in the Leeds commercial entity.

 

[Class 170101]

The 1641 MAN to DEW and on to Hull is now a 6 car 170. I think it's fair to say there was plenty of room last night. This photo is the front carriage on arrival at Dewsbury.

6 car 170 - wow!!!

How novel. Anglia first ran them up and down the GEML years ago

 

[Crossover]

How novel. Anglia first ran them up and down the GEML years ago

It's pretty good for here! Also bearing in mind that TPE only have 9 units in total, as well!

 

[Starmill]

Fulfilling a demand that doesn't exist :P
At least, on the plus, we rid ourselves of Middlesbro

I would have thought that the factor of eastward demand from Dewsbury to Leeds is significantly more than that of the next most-demanded destination.

I honestly can't see that this matters.
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I've noticed TPE have made another change to move towards with the long term plan - Scarborough services now call at Garforth.

Standing at Liverpool Lime St this afternoon brought this into sharp focus. Not only do the Scarbrough departures run the slow way to Manchester, they now pick up the Dewsbury call in addition to their Stalybridge one - AND most of them stop at Garforth too! :P

Look how far down the list York is on the xx12 and then xx22 on the boards at Lime St :P Sadly my pic of it has come out badly.

Yes of course it's a lot faster overall, but I was hoping to beat the booked 31 min.
But there is a 50mph TSR at Huyton until the works are complete there, plus the Astley 60mph.
There was a lot of coasting involved at below line speed east of there.
What I meant was that there is scope to cut the time by another couple of minutes. A 30-minute trip time really would be impressive.

Ah right yes I think I see now


Well I was on the 11:44 from Leeds to Liverpool and the 14:12 back this afternoon via Manchester Vic.

On the way the train was fairly empty, seems to have quite some time standing at Leeds. Everyone got off at Huddersfield... and then it was incredibly quiet for a TPE service with only a handful more getting on at Manchester Victoria. For some reason we were incredibly slow through Marsden and then again at Stalybridge. I think the through route at Staly is a bit slow which seems a shame... And the rest of the line through Ashton under Lyne was also disappointingly slow. It was nice to zoom through the Rainhill/Lea Green area at 90 as mentioned upthread I assume the other two restrictions referred to are temporary? Again though, I echo the sentiment that the most annoying thing is the eastbound standing time at Victoria. The journey takes in the main 1h24 westbound and 1h30 eastbound...

A few shots below: note the TPE staff at Victoria today Wonder if they took my advice on that The interior is the train on arrving at Lime St dead! Of course it's unclear if that's more related to the time of day, I did pick those times specifically because I reckoned they'd be the quietest. I did ask the guard vaugely how the new route was going he said "I don't know this is my first time on it!"

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I assume the other two restrictions referred to are temporary?

The Roby-Huyton 50mph is certainly temporary until the remodelling/resignalling is finished later this year.
Not sure about the Astley 60mph, which seems to be because of some combination of the level crossing and the route quality over the Moss.
The signs are new permanent ones but extend over only a few hundred yards from the crossing (although westbound there is still a long 60mph TSR starting at the M60, instead of the old PSR).
They are still installing autotransformer gear at Astley, but I don't see how this impacts the line speed.

I would have thought there might be speed improvements between Victoria and Stalybridge when they do the wiring of that section.
But it's unlikely anything will be done at Stalybridge itself - NR has only recently done a complete remodelling.

 

[IanXC]

Standing at Liverpool Lime St this afternoon brought this into sharp focus. Not only do the Scarbrough departures run the slow way to Manchester, they now pick up the Dewsbury call in addition to their Stalybridge one - AND most of them stop at Garforth too! :P

Although the Scarborough's do only seem to have picked up the Garforth call on eastbound services, the westbound ones remain with the Middlesbrough's.

 

[northwichcat]

A few shots below: note the TPE staff at Victoria today Wonder if they took my advice on that

TPE seem to generally have plenty of staff around on platforms generally, maybe it was just because you experienced problems on Sunday evening that there weren't any around.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I'm not sure to be honest. I'd have thought not but who knows :P

Just had a look at the timetable, there is still an extra HUD-SHF in the evening peak, leaving at 1818. No longer through from Leeds though, so it'll be from P2. I suppose technically the 'extra' is really the preceding 1751 anyway.

 

[Deerfold]

Garforth does appear to be quite well thought of by the senior figures of First TPE, noting it to be be a residentiary of the professional classes employed in the Leeds commercial entity.

It's not getting any more services though, just different ones.

My sister works in Garforth, travelling from Huddersfield. The first direct service now arrives at Garforth 21 minutes later than it used to and also now picks up at Dewsbury.

She's had three days of 3-carriage trains (as well as major delays on the first day in both directions) and is thinking of going back to driving when her season ticket expires.

 

[Andyh82]

Just had a look at the timetable, there is still an extra HUD-SHF in the evening peak, leaving at 1818. No longer through from Leeds though, so it'll be from P2. I suppose technically the 'extra' is really the preceding 1751 anyway.

Where does the stock for the 1751 come from, does it work in from Leeds anyway? (And therefore use platform 4 at Huddersfield?)

 

[Crossover]

Where does the stock for the 1751 come from, does it work in from Leeds anyway? (And therefore use platform 4 at Huddersfield?)

It would appear to come from 2W81 ex Selby - it does form a valid connection as well!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

It would appear to come from 2W81 ex Selby - it does form a valid connection as well!

Selby to Sheffield via Bradford, Halifax and Barnsley? That's almost as crazy as the old Selby-Wakefield 'Grand Tour', though at least with only one reversal rather than 3!

 

[leedslad82]

I got the 07-44 tpe service from Leeds to Manchester Victoria on my way to a course in bury today. I was shocked how quiet it was. I'm used to having to stand between Leeds and Manchester or at least Leeds to hudds. Today I got a table seat and the carriage must have only been 33% full

 

[Dunc108]

I got the 07-44 tpe service from Leeds to Manchester Victoria on my way to a course in bury today. I was shocked how quiet it was. I'm used to having to stand between Leeds and Manchester or at least Leeds to hudds. Today I got a table seat and the carriage must have only been 33% full

I got the 14.12 from Liverpool to Victoria and it was alot busier from that end but I was still able to get a seat. The downside was it was 10 minutes late leaving Liverpool so faced constant signal checks beyond Huyton. In all its nice having a non-stop service to Manchester. I'm certainly not complaining that I got a seat, that is after all how it should be in an ideal world.

Also, its only been in operation for barely a week, I think its a combination of people not being used to it's existence or they don't know it exists. Lets see how its doing in another few months.

One thing I did notice at Victoria today was a fair amount of 142s heading to Todmorden and 2-car 158s to Leeds. The Huddersfield's were massively busy.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Passengers to/from Manchester will still mostly prefer the service via Oxford Road/Piccadilly until the Metrolink tram stop reopens at Victoria, and the station rebuilding reaches the point where it is a pleasant place to get on/off/wait.

 

[Dunc108]

Passengers to/from Manchester will still mostly prefer the service via Oxford Road/Piccadilly until the Metrolink tram stop reopens at Victoria, and the station rebuilding reaches the point where it is a pleasant place to get on/off/wait.

Yes I agree Vic does look at bit of a building site at the moment, I'm sure the end result will be worth the wait, it better had be!

 

[andyb2706]

Has the introduction left the local service with reductions?

Actually there is a reduction in service. There used to be three services an hour to Ashton and Stalybridge from Victoria. One to Huddersfield and the other two terminated at Stalybridge. However,due to the TPE service timings clashing with one of the Northern Stalybridge terminating service this Northern service no longer runs to Stalybridge but terminates at Victoria.

 

[Starmill]

Actually there is a reduction in service. There used to be three services an hour to Ashton and Stalybridge from Victoria. One to Huddersfield and the other two terminated at Stalybridge. However,due to the TPE service timings clashing with one of the Northern Stalybridge terminating service this Northern service no longer runs to Stalybridge but terminates at Victoria.

There are now two TPE trains from Piccadilly per hour calling at Stalybridge though!

Have frequencies at Ashton-under-Lyne been reduced from 3 to 2 trains per hour?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Have frequencies at Ashton-under-Lyne been reduced from 3 to 2 trains per hour?

Yes. A Northern service from Manchester Victoria to Stalybridge and a Northern service from Manchester Victoria to Huddersfield.

 

[Crossover]

But of course Ashton now has the added advantage of 6 trams per hour to Manchester *dons tin hat*

 

[Starmill]

Yes. A Northern service from Manchester Victoria to Stalybridge and a Northern service from Manchester Victoria to Huddersfield.

I don't follow. There's still 1tph Northern from Manchester Victoria to Huddersfield...