gg1
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Dudley Port will meet the criteria when the Wednesbury to Dudley Metro extension opens.
Quite right... not sure what I was picturing in my head, but it clearly wasn't East Didsbury! I'll blame it on a brain-fart...Er, the tram line crosses under the railway, and then crosses under the A34, and then terminates just before it would have passed under the A5145. I'd argue the two stations are too far apart to count as one, and they won't get any closer if the tram is extended to Stockport.
Furthermore the railway station is even further from the crossing point than the tram stop is.
Similarly, Carnforth; if you include the branch off to Morecambe at Hest Bank.A bit of a stretch this one, as it isn't split-level with platforms forming a cross but you can catch a train to head in four different directions, with the routes diverging not far from the station: that being Shipley (routes to Ilkley/Bradford/Leeds/Skipton).
You can't head 'north' from Carnforth as there's no stopping service heading towards Oxenholme, you can only head West to Barrow, East to Hellifield and South to Lancaster. Carnforth also isn't a cross, it's a V (given the OP has excluded Tonbridge for not being a proper cross).Similarly, Carnforth; if you include the branch off to Morecambe at Hest Bank.
However, that only has a very limited passenger service, and it’s no longer possible to head North on the WCML on a passenger train from Carnforth station itself although non-stop passenger trains do.
Yes, I acknowledged it was a stretch and that you can’t head North on the WCML but passenger trains do…You can't head 'north' from Carnforth as there's no stopping service heading towards Oxenholme, you can only head West to Barrow, East to Hellifield and South to Lancaster. Carnforth also isn't a cross, it's a V (given the OP has excluded Tonbridge for not being a proper cross).
And among the reasons why there is no stopping service, one of the more important is that there's no longer a platform.You can't head 'north' from Carnforth as there's no stopping service heading towards Oxenholme,
Yes, was about to say Warrington BQ was of course one many years ago and could become one again.If NPR plans go ahead, Warrington BQ may become an example.
If you count Metrolink, Manchester Picc?
If you count Tyne and Wear Metro, Monument? (Oops, already mentioned.)
If Tonbridge didn't, Cambridge certainly doesn't.Cambridge currently meets your criteria (although won't once South opens). It is a bit of a weird "cross" though.
Can anyone think of other stations where the two routes form a cross shape and passengers can go all four ways from that station? for example Tamworth works but Lichfield TV doesn't (regular services don't go North East from Tv as far as I'm aware)/ Shotton and Worcester Parkway are another two that work.
Stations like Nuneaton for example don't really fit as the tracks don't form a cross.
I'm after examples in England and Wales that are OUTSIDE the M25 if any of you knowledgeable people could help!
(NB also passengers can transfer between the two routes)
Updated list:
Tamworth
Worcs Parkway
Shotton
Smethwick GB
Liverpool South Parkway
Retford
Minffordd*
Newcastle
Not if Nuneaton like layouts are ruled out for not being cross shaped?
Would Westbury fit your criteria?
It's not cross-shaped, so it doesn't qualify.Surprised that no-one's suggested Eaglescliffe.
Again, not a cross-shaped station. Also, it isn't in England or Wales.Surprised no one has mentioned Perth. Its the first place I thought of.
Yes, on re reading the thread I realisecI missed the England andxWales bit.Again, not a cross-shaped station. Also, it isn't in England or Wales.
I don't think the OP is asking for a list of stations with junctions near them that allow trains to head off in different directions. If Nuneaton's layout doesn't qualify, then Perth's doesn't either.Yes, on re reading the thread I realisecI missed the England andxWales bit.
Nevertheless it the lines leading intontjexststion do form a cross.
Bletchley is not a cross though - it’s very like the originally ruled out NuneatonRetford; Motherwell (functionally even if not literally); Liverpool Central and Moorfields; Smethwick Galton Bridge. Bletchley will arguably soon qualify.
Preston. WCML to N and S, Blackpool and Liverpool to West, Blackburn etc to the EastCan anyone think of other stations where the two routes form a cross shape and passengers can go all four ways from that station? for example Tamworth works but Lichfield TV doesn't (regular services don't go North East from Tv as far as I'm aware)/ Shotton and Worcester Parkway are another two that work.
Stations like Nuneaton for example don't really fit as the tracks don't form a cross.
I'm after examples in England and Wales that are OUTSIDE the M25 if any of you knowledgeable people could help!
(NB also passengers can transfer between the two routes)
Updated list:
Tamworth
Worcs Parkway
Shotton
Smethwick GB
Liverpool South Parkway
Retford
Minffordd*
Newcastle Central/Monument*
No - ruled out by the OP's second paragraph.Preston. WCML to N and S, Blackpool and Liverpool to West, Blackburn etc to the East
Trains only run one way round the loop. So while the stations are cross shaped you can only travel in 3 directions from each of them.Liverpool Central and Moorfields;
This is correct ( and thanks for helping ). The mods altered my title which has not helped as people may skip the salient points of the first post.I don't think the OP is asking for a list of stations with junctions near them that allow trains to head off in different directions. If Nuneaton's layout doesn't qualify, then Perth's doesn't either.
Lichfield TV and Tamworth were mentioned in post #1. These are stations where two separate routes intersect and there are platforms on both routes, so they form a cross.
If you count Metrolink, Manchester Picc?