My apprentice took mine off me, it’s got a horrible habit of jumping out my pockets (absolutely nothing to do with all the other stuff I keep in there… oh crikey, I really have become my first teamleader…)Even more unlikely I'd be carrying it as you can tell! I'll stick to carrying the Fluke thanks .
Oh, I totally understand the line clear verification (LCV) process wasn't done as it should have been. I was thinking on a more basic level, 'why is there no trolley on the back of the lorry'? How could everyone miss that?Counterintuitively, I'm not sure that's as true as you think it should be. If the LCV process is done properly it doesn't matter how many trollies are used.
Hmm.., 710 incident, Salisbury and now this…. Are railways suddenly getting a bit lax during this Network Rail -GBR transition ?
Working from height is also a big one of late. A contractor fell into a river a few weeks ago and there were the cowboys at Paddington in late summer using mobile scaffolding like it was gymnastic apperatusIssues with P-Way work & PICOP/ES/COSS communication on site have been cropping up in RAIB reports (including contractor fatalities) for the past 4-5 years. Alongside vegetation / weather related issues, its probably one of the biggest safety risks right now for NR.
This, and the Challow incident, all sounds like human factors. Unless there is anyone there to call you out on corner cutting, you'll get away with it until something goes wrong. "Who needs to spend the extra time putting the fall harness on?" "Who cares if I fill out the end of possession paperwork at the start so we can all get away a few minutes earlier?"Working from height is also a big one of late. A contractor fell into a river a few weeks ago and there were the cowboys at Paddington in late summer using mobile scaffolding like it was gymnastic apperatus
Both the COSS & ES should have been aware that a trolley had been used if the process was being followed and the PICOP should ask whether all forms have been completed relevant to the works although the PICOP can't second guess whats actually happening. Unfortunately as RAIB hasn't elected to investigate this one we will be unlikely to ever find out as NR doesn't publish its own internal investigations. In respect of Human Factors both NR and Railtrack before have moved this area a heck of long way from where it was in BR but there is still an inherent male culture that sees challenge as a sign of weakness and not the done thing ie keep your head down especially with the zero hour contractors although its not clear whether this was an NR team at Challow. Its not limited to the rail industry either but exists across civil construction as well although lets be clear there have been massive improvements.This, and the Challow incident, all sounds like human factors. Unless there is anyone there to call you out on corner cutting, you'll get away with it until something goes wrong. "Who needs to spend the extra time putting the fall harness on?" "Who cares if I fill out the end of possession paperwork at the start so we can all get away a few minutes earlier?"
There can be as many procedures as you like, but if there is no active checking that these are complied with, they are useless.
I'm wondering if, since NR is a public body, a FOI request could be used to elicit the results of the internal investigation(s)?Unfortunately as RAIB hasn't elected to investigate this one we will be unlikely to ever find out as NR doesn't publish its own internal investigations.
What makes you think that?Unfortunately as RAIB hasn't elected to investigate this one
There is nothing on their website. If they were going to investigate it would be on there by now.What makes you think that?
This event was well before Salisbury and given they have another trolley incident under investigation on 8/9/21 at Twickenham which will be a safety digest they may include this one as well.Patience is required. RAIB has been rather busy lately.
Now this is a genuine fear of mine.Hmm.., 710 incident, Salisbury and now this…. Are railways suddenly getting a bit lax during this Network Rail -GBR transition ?
"Management is distracted, punctuality goes to pot, safety slips. When you reorganise you bleed. Don't reorganise. Don't, don't, don't".Now this is a genuine fear of mine.
And so very very true!!"Management is distracted, punctuality goes to pot, safety slips. When you reorganise you bleed. Don't reorganise. Don't, don't, don't".
- Gerry Fiennes, of course.
Hmm.., 710 incident, Salisbury and now this…. Are railways suddenly getting a bit lax during this Network Rail -GBR transition ?
if this is true then the lax attitude needs to be clamped down on before there is a major accident which kills many people (Salisbury had the potential to be that)Now this is a genuine fear of mine.
I'm afraid this is utter wibble. The daily roles of most railway staff have not changed in any notable way since the WilliamsHmm.., 710 incident, Salisbury and now this…. Are railways suddenly getting a bit lax during this Network Rail -GBR transition ?
To be fair, given the number of incidents and near misses involving P-way personnel in recent years, I'm not sure how certain we can be about that statement?No-one is getting lax; these are simply a number of unconnected incidents which have happened to occur in a similar timeframe.
Ah, but there is a difference between being lax and getting lax!To be fair, given the number of incidents and near misses involving P-way personnel in recent years, I'm not sure how certain we can be about that statement?
To be fair, given the number of incidents and near misses involving P-way personnel in recent years, I'm not sure how certain we can be about that statement?
This is true!!Ah, but there is a difference between being lax and getting lax!
Indeed, it feels to me as though its been happening for longer than the announcement of GBR. That said, in my case it could be a bit of Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon. I did run the numbers once, but I've forgotten if I discovered anything now!Yes they have been going up and its a problem area however I'm not sure this can be linked to GBR or Williams-Shaps review.
Hmm.., 710 incident, Salisbury and now this…. Are railways suddenly getting a bit lax during this Network Rail -GBR transition ?
What is the "710 incident"?
To be fair, given the number of incidents and near misses involving P-way personnel in recent years, I'm not sure how certain we can be about that statement?
Agreed but a risk coming over the horizon is how the voluntary severance scheme is managed in ensuring that the release of personnel doesn't create an experience and competence gap.Yes they have been going up and its a problem area however I'm not sure this can be linked to GBR or Williams-Shaps review.
Agreed but a risk coming over the horizon is how the voluntary severance scheme is managed in ensuring that the release of personnel doesn't create an experience and competence gap.