I'm a TfL contractor on the Underground/Overground/TfL Rail but I take your point!Eh? Have you ever dealt with TfL?
I'm a TfL contractor on the Underground/Overground/TfL Rail but I take your point!Eh? Have you ever dealt with TfL?
The six class 387/3s currently with c2c are also heading to Southern.You’ll notice soon that some stored Networkers might be headed back to Southeastern, these will replace the Class 377/5 units. Class 377/5 units replace 455s alongside the service reductions. Between now and December the 387/1s displaced by 379s will come south and drivers will get cab conversions. Then in December the 377/5 head to Coastway and replace the 313s.
Three of them aren't currently with c2c.The six class 387/3s currently with c2c are also heading to Southern.
Benno often provides invaluable contributions to threads such as the SW Metro thread, and indeed was the first to inform us of the 456s demise back when nobody believed it! I personally consider his updates to be very reliable indeed.Who says? Three of them aren't currently with c2c.
Ah right. I hadn't picked that up but noted that there was still consideration of the aforementioned 387s with GWR. Guess GWR aren't keeping them then.Benno often provides invaluable contributions to threads such as the SW Metro thread, and indeed was the first to inform us of the 456s demise back when nobody believed it! I personally consider his updates to be very reliable indeed.
If the 377/5s go to Southern, they also have Southern interiors (as SE only bothered to modify the paintjob on the outside slightly).Funnily enough they have southern interiors (as i was told last week)
No direct links along the coast from Hampshire to the Brighton area at all? Are there going to be any alternatives? For example restoring the old '38' or '46' Victoria-Gatwick-Hove-Portsmouth/Southampton fasts? These required a change at Hove for Brighton, but were fast, which was good.I haven’t heard anything but:
- Milton Keynes requires ten 377s and keeps being axed
- Portsmouth and Southampton to Brighton will be simply Chichester to Brighton from May
Yes, three of the 387/3s are still with GWR, but this sub-lease will end soon. They will all end up with Southern as they are being replaced by new build Aventra's anyway (eventually).Ah right. I hadn't picked that up but noted that there was still consideration of the aforementioned 387s with GWR. Guess GWR aren't keeping them then.
All getting very complicated.
That post is incorrect.No direct links along the coast from Hampshire to the Brighton area at all? Are there going to be any alternatives? For example restoring the old '38' or '46' Victoria-Gatwick-Hove-Portsmouth/Southampton fasts? These required a change at Hove for Brighton, but were fast, which was good.
The three with GWR are now directly leased to GWR. The sub-lease from c2c ended in September.Yes, three of the 387/3s are still with GWR, but this sub-lease will end soon. They will all end up with Southern as they are being replaced by new build Aventra's anyway (eventually).
That post is incorrect.
That post is incorrect.
Well, yes, apologies - I had mixed up short term engineering work timetables with the permanent deal.Ah right ok, thanks for clarifying.
I’m sure someone could explain it to me but I don’t see how 46 units can be replaced with 377s. Maybe even more if the 313s go. The only was I could see it potentially being feasible is if the 379s take over on the Great Northern side therefore cascading 387s south. Otherwise I can’t see how they can have they many available
Don’t think 455s run on the Tattenham Corner line anymore. They still run to Caterham via South Bermondsey and London Bridge - East CroydonAssume the 455s are still very prominent on both weekdays and weekends on both the tat and caterham branches? Or do 377/6s do these?
On Saturday's they run to Coulsdon Town, and when there are engineering works, sometimes 455's run to Tattenham Corner.Don’t think 455s run on the Tattenham Corner line anymore. They still run to Caterham via South Bermondsey and London Bridge - East Croydon
Yes, but from what I've read on the forum there won't be any more going until withdrawals start in earnest concurrent with the 701s entering service.On an individual unit basis, haven’t a few SWR already gone to Long Marston?
I’m sure someone could explain it to me but I don’t see how 46 units can be replaced with 377s. Maybe even more if the 313s go. The only was I could see it potentially being feasible is if the 379s take over on the Great Northern side therefore cascading 387s south. Otherwise I can’t see how they can have they many available
Why wouldn't they? Every stock ever used by Southern, bar 442 and 313, has.Will southern services stop at Anerley and Penge West in May while the class 455 going to be withdrawn?
Just done some maths on this -I’m sure someone could explain it to me but I don’t see how 46 units can be replaced with 377s. Maybe even more if the 313s go. The only was I could see it potentially being feasible is if the 379s take over on the Great Northern side therefore cascading 387s south. Otherwise I can’t see how they can have they many available
gives an electrostar fleet addition of 60 south of the river
The three with GWR are now directly leased to GWR. The sub-lease from c2c ended in September.
I fail to see why so many units are needed as some Southern services are surely ripe never to return. If a sustainable position can be reached with the May timetable why bring in any extra units at all?gives an electrostar fleet addition of 60 south of the river
If you look at the May 22 timetable, the London Victoria - Sutton, London Victoria - London Bridge, Brighton - West Worthing and Brighton - Lewes services are also all gone.I fail to see why so many units are needed as some Southern services are surely ripe never to return. If a sustainable position can be reached with the May timetable why bring in any extra units at all?
In particular, the cuts on the Milton Keynes route take the unit requirement from 10 to 3. Guildford saves a unit. London Victoria to Caterham / Tattenham peak workings aren't needed and so on.