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Class 321 storage/scrapping

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Busman

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45076 said:
these are last of the Renatus ones
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How much did the Renatus project cost? Seeing as how long they were actually in service until the new stock rolled out, wasn't this a whole load of wasted money now all the Renatus trains are being scrapped?

What was the point?
 
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I too am struck too by the expense and complexity of the Renatus project, only for the units to go to the shredder a few years later. Surely a lighter refurb (or even none at all) would have been sufficient given the short time left for them on the GEML? I don’t suppose any of the new traction equipment, aircon, WiFi equipment etc was salvaged for re use?
 
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Minerva05 said:
I too am struck too by the expense and complexity of the Renatus project, only for the units to go to the shredder a few years later. Surely a lighter refurb (or even none at all) would have been sufficient given the short time left for them on the GEML? I don’t suppose any of the new traction equipment, aircon, WiFi equipment etc was salvaged for re use?
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The first few Renatus 321s to head for scrap went via Wolverton Works, possibly for some parts removal but nothing was obviously missing from the outside at least. All the rest have gone straight to Newport Docks from storage...
 
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Minerva05 said:
I too am struck too by the expense and complexity of the Renatus project, only for the units to go to the shredder a few years later. Surely a lighter refurb (or even none at all) would have been sufficient given the short time left for them on the GEML? I don’t suppose any of the new traction equipment, aircon, WiFi equipment etc was salvaged for re use?
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You need to look at the relative timescales of the Renatus project and Class 720 order. The 720s were ordered around August 2016. The first Renatus set was released in December 2016, but obviously contracts for the refurbishment were placed well before then i.e. before the 720s were ordered. It was also pre-Covid when the railway was growing, so Eversholt would have been confident of leasing them elsewhere.
 
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Busman said:
How much did the Renatus project cost?
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Does it matter? It is money that got Greater Anglia customers better trains for around five years, and saw them meet their accessibility requirements. One of the benefits of leasing is that it is Eversholt who have borne the loss, and not the railway.

Minerva05 said:
I don’t suppose any of the new traction equipment, aircon, WiFi equipment etc was salvaged for re use?
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This is more of an issue. The indifference to reusing components such as seats in other units and simply send the whole thing to scrap is somewhat disappointing, and wasteful.
 
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Evening all,
I have a file with 321s in it. Can someone please advise if any of the ones listed are scrapped.
W=Withdrawn
S = Stored
321301321W
321303321W
321304321W
321305321W
321310321W
321320321W
321321321W
321324321W
321325321W
321326321W
321327321W
321329321W
321331321W
321332321W
321333321W
321334321W
321335321W
321336321W
321337321W
321338321W
321339321W
321340321W
321341321W
321342321W
321343321W
321365321S
321402321S
321405321S
321406321W
321407321W
321409321W
321419321W
321421321W
321423321S
321424321W
321426321W
321427321W
321428321W
321429321W
321430321W
321431321S
321432321W
321433321S
321434321S
321436321W
321437321W
321439321S
321440321W
321441321W
321444321S
321445321S
321448321S
321902321W

Thanks in advance,
 
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03_179 said:
Evening all,
I have a file with 321s in it. Can someone please advise if any of the ones listed are scrapped.
W=Withdrawn
S = Stored
321301321SCRAPPED
321303321SCRAPPED
321304321SCRAPPED
321305321SCRAPPED
321310321SCRAPPED
321320321SCRAPPED
321321321SCRAPPED
321324321SCRAPPED
321325321SCRAPPED
321326321SCRAPPED
321327321STORED AT WEMBLEY (PRESUMED TO BE GOING FOR SCRAP W/C 28/04/25)
321329321STORED AT WEMBLEY (PRESUMED TO BE GOING FOR SCRAP W/C 28/04/25)
321331321SCRAPPED
3213323212 COACHES SCRAPPED, 2 USED AS NETWORK RAIL TRAINING COACHES
321333321SCRAPPED
321334321VARAMIS RAIL
321335321SCRAPPED
321336321SCRAPPED
321337321SCRAPPED
321338321VARAMIS RAIL
321339321VARAMIS RAIL
321340321SCRAPPED
321341321VARAMIS RAIL
321342321VARAMIS RAIL
321343321SCRAPPED
321365321SCRAPPED
3214023212 COACHES REMAINED AT MILLERHILL IN OCT 2024 (POSSIBLY NOW SCRAPPED?)
321405321SCRAPPED
321406321SCRAPPED
321407321VARAMIS RAIL
321409321SCRAPPED
321419321VARAMIS RAIL
321421321SCRAPPED
321423321SCRAPPED
321424321SCRAPPED
321426321SCRAPPED
321427321SCRAPPED
321428321VARAMIS RAIL
321429321VARAMIS RAIL
321430321SCRAPPED
321431321SCRAPPED
321432321SCRAPPED
321433321SCRAPPED
321434321EASTERN RAIL SERVICES (FOR FILMING WORK)
321436321SCRAPPED
321437321SCRAPPED
321439321SCRAPPED
321440321VARAMIS RAIL
321441321SCRAPPED
321444321SCRAPPED
321445321SCRAPPED
321448321SCRAPPED
321902321SCRAPPED

Thanks in advance,
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Edited in the details into the table above
 
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