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Shouldn't there be a proper wheelchair space somewhere though?That’s for wheelchair access, not pointless at all.
Shouldn't there be a proper wheelchair space somewhere though?That’s for wheelchair access, not pointless at all.
It’s not just the Twitter account, it’s also quite specific in the SE website news article linked in post #708.interesting that the SE Twitter handler said they'd be working the Victoria Dartford Service, all stations west of Lewisham are are 8 car only as are Platforms
That release doesn't mention VictoriaIt’s not just the Twitter account, it’s also quite specific in the SE website news article linked in post #708.
Yes sorry I meant Gravesend etc are definitely in scope. Are you thinking existing stock will have to remain on services to Victoria? SWR call 707s at plenty of short platforms, but they tend to be at the outer ends of routes.That release doesn't mention Victoria
The Siemens City Desiro family of which the Class 707s being to have selective door opening whereas the train will not open any door of the carriage if said carriage is not fully platformed so I can't see why platform restrictions on the London Victoria routes would mean that the Class 707s cannot operate out of London Victoria when SDO can be used.interesting that the SE Twitter handler said they'd be working the Victoria Dartford Service, all stations west of Lewisham are are 8 car only as are Platforms
I expect that’s what was being quoted in post #722 earlier… TOC Twitter feeds are not exactly renowned for their accuracy when covering longer term changes…There was a reply on Twitter that said they would be used from Victoria (as well as others)
I expect that’s what was being quoted in post #722 earlier… TOC Twitter feeds are not exactly renowned for their accuracy when covering longer term changes…yep
There's the answer
The Networkers have toilets, so surely would be on the longer services?I imagine the 707s are going to be used on all the services which the 376s use? Since they are both 10 car trains. Maybe they will be used a lot more on all the loop services allowing the ageing networkers to keep to shorter journeys?
I liked the period when the 375s were being repainted, but to be honest they've never been able to settle with one livery. Most of the Electrostars before being repainted were in Connex/SET livery, and the Networkers use one livery, but it was only applied to a handful of 375s. The Javelins came along with a completely new livery, and the 377s are still in First Capital Connect purple. And then there's the 376s...I highly doubt it! Although I personally quite like the variety don't you?
I'm not sure where you're getting 165, 166 and 365 from...Assuming by 'networker', SouthEastern mean the class 465's: According to wikipedia, SouthEastern have 147 of the 4-car class 165 Networker trains, (as well as 43 of the 2-car class 166's). They also have 36 5-car class 365s which are not as old and which - as far as I can interpret from the text you quoted - are presumably staying.
I'm not sure what the 30 5-car class 707s can do to replace any of that lot - the numbers of units don't seem to add up, unless it's simply adding some new units to increase capacity?
I'm not sure where you're getting 165, 166 and 365 from...
I can't recall any concerns for Nunhead, Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill, but if a 10 car 707 ran the Orpington services, calling at Herne Hill in both directions and Brixton in the down direction would foul a prominent junction.The Siemens City Desiro family of which the Class 707s being to have selective door opening whereas the train will not open any door of the carriage if said carriage is not fully platformed so I can't see why platform restrictions on the London Victoria routes would mean that the Class 707s cannot operate out of London Victoria when SDO can be used.
Looks like they've also ruled out (or forgotten) Gravesend, even though 376s occasionally serve there.This is what SE have tweeted, certainly no Vic there (as expected)
Wonder if the semi fast Gravesend services will be brought back with the Dartford stopper services being 707s.Looks like they've also ruled out (or forgotten) Gravesend, even though 376s occasionally serve there.
Well it makes sense that the longest services are operated with trains with toilets. I assume any 376 operation wasn't timetabledLooks like they've also ruled out (or forgotten) Gravesend, even though 376s occasionally serve there.
376 operations are most definitely timetabled for Gravesend.Well it makes sense that the longest services are operated with trains with toilets. I assume any 376 operation wasn't timetabled
Indeed they are - they’re interchangeable with the Networkers other than the Bromley shuttle and Mainline services.376 operations are most definitely timetabled for Gravesend.
They're not interchangeable on Victoria services I believe, or at least very limited in what they can do there.Indeed they are - they’re interchangeable with the Networkers other than the Bromley shuttle and Mainline services.
Very smart. Are the doors allowed to have little contrast like that?
New livery unveiled now too - looks really good IMO…
I don’t understand what is meant by interchangeable and why are they not allowed to go to Victoria?They're not interchangeable on Victoria services I believe, or at least very limited in what they can do there.
I don’t understand what is meant by interchangeable and why are they not allowed to go to Victoria?
Correct. In 30 years of using that line I’ve had a 376 precisely once.At a guess... because of platforms on that route only being long enough for 8 carriages? That 376's are 5 car-units and therefore need platforms long enough for 10 carriages (since you don't want to be running 5-car trains most of the time in that part of London)
Definitely forgotten as the 2Nxx CHX - GRV are formed off of 2Axx DFD - CHX and vice versa.Looks like they've also ruled out (or forgotten) Gravesend, even though 376s occasionally serve there.