But the remodelling will change nearly all those things anyway, as well as having to re-familiarise all the staff with the new layout. As it seems there won't be a re-numbering, it means we are probably stuck with platform 0 for several decades. Probably by then H Potter won't be a thing any more so that issue will have gone away.Indeed. It's between P8 and P9, but between the ninth and tenth platforms since we're numbering from zero. On the one hand I'm in favour of renumbering to start at 1 but it's not as simple as just swapping numbers about; there's signalling, electronic data, signage... and it's not as if we have to worry about a platform -1 at Kings Cross. Unlike - potentially - at Leeds or York...
Correct Mon 26th, platforms 0 - 6 reopen.It is intended to be Mon 26 April, after the weekend closure to switch sides of the station. RTT shows services using platforms that can only be reached through the eastern bore, (ie P0 and P1).
Don't you believe it. The Schilthorn in Switzerland is still milking being the location for On Her Majesty's Secret Service over 50 years ago. Bond music in the cable cars etc. (We only went on the cable car to reach a starting point for a walk - never quite seen the point of visiting a location just because a film was shot there, but there you go.)Probably by then H Potter won't be a thing any more so that issue will have gone away.
The resturant goes round slowly but the loos - in the centre, don't - meaning when you come out you spend an age finding your table again!Don't you believe it. The Schilthorn in Switzerland is still milking being the location for On Her Majesty's Secret Service over 50 years ago. Bond music in the cable cars etc. (We only went on the cable car to reach a starting point for a walk - never quite seen the point of visiting a location just because a film was shot there, but there you go.)
There are some new turnouts within the tunnels too, equally 'non-preferred' but possible where neccessary given careful design for maintenance access, modern communications not requiring crew to leave the footplate (usually), and sufficient thought given to passenger evacuation procedures should a train become disabled after being halted at a tunnel signal. Signals and points in the tunnels are essential here given the new extended higher speed throat design. The old layout had plenty of signals in the tunnels too, but no points. The signal head here looks like a Unipart Dorman LED miniature tunnel signal incorporating POSA. See https://www.unipartdorman.co.uk/assets/led_signalling_handbook.pdf (pages 18,19). It is accompanied by a non-standard vertical alphanumeric route indicator as described by John Wynne in his tweet.This picture on Twitter shows new signalling equipment installed within the middle tunnel, the background shows there are signals for both directions:
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There’s another photo of the right hand side at the same place if you follow the link.
So does this mean there are intermediate signal sections within the tunnels, perhaps for closing up purposes?
Has anyone seen a signalling plan yet - are there going to be signals within the tunnels on all the routes, because I thought this was “not preferred”?
Thanks, just what I was hoping for. I’m sure a few people will find that very interesting.This may help, it shows signals within all three bores of the gasworks tunnels.
The railway codes site suggests just York (ROC) Kings Cross Area Signals. The A might just be a panel in the ROC?What does the YA stand for in the signal sign?
Yes, that crossover just within the south end of Copenhagen Slow tunnel was and remains unavoidable as the turnout to the steeply rising North London Incline is immediately outside the portal and cannot be moved. See my diagram here:Thanks buz33 - very interesting.
Although turnouts are new to Gasworks Tunnels, I think there has always been one between the slows in Copenhagen Tunnels - and there will be a new one there between the fasts.
Presumably although described in the catalogue as “four aspect and POSA” the same hardware is also used for “four aspect and calling on“, ie into an occupied platform in the case of Kings Cross?[…]
The signal head here looks like a Unipart Dorman LED miniature tunnel signal incorporating POSA. See https://www.unipartdorman.co.uk/assets/led_signalling_handbook.pdf (pages 18,19)...
Perhaps the POSA version includes a flasher unit?Presumably although described in the catalogue as “four aspect and POSA” the same hardware is also used for “four aspect and calling on“, ie into an occupied platform in the case of Kings Cross?
Not really sure, I think people have previously suggested that on T/L the same lights might be used for both roles, I guess it depends where in the overall circuitry the flashing is enabled.Perhaps the POSA version includes a flasher unit?
Yes indeed. I seem to remember SSI modules included a provision for flashing an aspect, but I'm not up on modern practice. Otherwise I can't think of any reason they would be different in the catalogue, unless they just charge more for the same thing with a different label on.Not really sure, I think people have previously suggested that on T/L the same lights might be used for both roles, I guess it depends where in the overall circuitry the flashing is enabled.
Staying one summer at the little village of Oberreid on Lake Brienz, we'd been very unlucky thus far weatherwise on the various mountain trips we'd undertaken. Then one very early morning before breakfast the sun was seen to be blazing from a completely clear sky so, as it was getting near the end of the holiday, we made the instant decision to take advantage and do the excursion up the Schilthorn straight away. The beautiful weather held as we made the early trip by train and cable car, then enjoyed a hearty 'Bond breakfast' in the restaurant overlooking the amazing alpine panorama with not a cloud in sight, seemingly over the whole of Switzerland! So utterly spectacular I teared up a little and began spouting all kinds of nonsense, but maybe that was just the effect of the high altitude!Don't you believe it. The Schilthorn in Switzerland is still milking being the location for On Her Majesty's Secret Service over 50 years ago. Bond music in the cable cars etc. (We only went on the cable car to reach a starting point for a walk - never quite seen the point of visiting a location just because a film was shot there, but there you go.)
The same applied at the old Post Office Tower restaurant. I recall some TV personality recounting an incident where they'd re-emerged from the bathroom into the middle of a performing live band at an event being held there.The resturant goes round slowly but the loos - in the centre, don't - meaning when you come out you spend an age finding your table again!
Sorry mods - wildly off topic - only excuse is I left from here - well next door
A group of four pictures posted on Twitter yesterday, the first pic (aerial view) is quite useful because it shows almost the entire area of work between the two sets of tunnels. The space taken for the new lines to curve across towards the reopened tunnel, and the overall length of the fast crossovers is quite apparent. In the pic the new up fast is yet to be relaid, but the two new east side lines are fully in position, with a works train on the up line.
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Is the tunnel in the centre bottom of the picture for Eurostar to St Pancras?
Yes, the light blue is the Eurostar portal. The two lines going underground right of centre are the Thameslink “canal tunnels” towards St Pancras low level. Bottom right are the four tracks of the North London Line.Is the tunnel in the centre bottom of the picture for Eurostar to St Pancras?
According to somebody on wikipedia (all usual caveats apply):Slightly OT, but why is Copenhagen tunnel so called, when Copenhagen Street is adjacent to the Gasworks Tunnel?
The name is taken from Copenhagen Fields, an open space directly above the tunnels, that was once the location of the Ambassador of Denmark's residence in the 17th century.
There are a few other more specialised historic websites that record the building of the Metropolitan Cattle Market, on ”Copenhagen Fields”, in 1852. So it does seem a legitimate explanation.According to somebody on wikipedia (all usual caveats apply):
Sorry guys but is this still the plan or is the remaining area of Kings Cross PSB to be transferred to York ROC going to be delayed?Kings Cross PSB's remaining area of control is Kings Cross and Moorgate up to Oakleigh Park and Grange Park. This will transfer to York ROC on 26th April.
None of Peterborough signalbox will be transferring to the ROC any time soon.
Still going as planned for the 26th as far as I'm aware.Sorry guys but is this still the plan or is the remaining area of Kings Cross PSB to be transferred to York ROC going to be delayed?
Thank you, so from the 26th April then the former Kings Cross PSB is no more - will it still be demolished as LNER say it will be because in a earlier post, a Camden planning application shows that the works doesn't affect the PSB?Still going as planned for the 26th as far as I'm aware.