ANorthernGuard
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so you cant prove the safety case so now you are going onto the performance case for DOO
The PPM figures for the likes of Northern ,ATW , and TPE are currently better than those for FCC or Southern
I would have thought with the frequent number of trains stood in the platform for minutes before the guard opens the doors the operators with a traditional two man operation and guard opening doors would have significantly lower PPM figures ... perhaps not
It does happen sometimes that someone will want a more complicated ticket than you envisaged , or they might get out a card to pay and the card reader wont want to play ball .more often than not I have been a bit delayed getting back to my panel because the advantix has decided to stop cooperating and I have had to mess with it to give the customer their ticket . or it might be busy so getting back through the train takes a little longer than you thought . Most the time if a customer wants a more complicated ticket and I am near a station I will tell them I will be back with them after the station , but we all make mistakes and sometimes dont get back to the panel in the time we would like too . Not going to pretend like it never happens but it isn't a frequent occurrence . Guards dont go out there setting out to make a train late , that just creates more work for us in handling customer complaints and notifying control to let them know what the delay is .
Lets look at another cause of delays at stations , sometimes loading and unloading of a disabled passenger can add a good 7 or 8 minutes delay onto a service with getting the disabled space clear , getting the ramp , setting the ramp up , getting them on and stowing the ramp safely again repeating the process at their destination . Should we stop carrying disabled passengers just because they cost delay minutes and it would be more efficient to leave them behind ? ofc we shouldn't
Sometimes the unit you will get given will make your service delayed 142 vs 150 means less doors which means increased time for passengers to alight and join the train
Anybody that observes passengers trying to get on a train will also know they will only half of the available doors .Currently I have observed many guards who will ask passengers to make use of all of the doors available whereas being confined to a cab would make this more difficult , so the advantages in lowered dwell times by having doors open as soon as the train is stationary would be undone by having passengers taking longer to load onto the train . Stuff like telling people to move down the train so everyone can get on would also not happen if the person watching the boarding of the train was confined to a cab
As for cancellations due to lack of traincrew - nearly all of the cancellations I am seeing at the moment (mainly leeds ,clitheroe and todmorden ) are due to lack of driver , Sometimes a service will be cancelled due to lack of conductor but the unit itself will still have to go somewhere to form a later service or to be out of the way .So the wasted costs in fuel and track access costs are a moot point if that train would have to be somewhere to form another service with another guard later in the day .Surely a cancellation due to lack of driver could actually end up costing a TOC more in cancellation fines because the unit cant be at its destination to form a later service leading to knock on cancellations .
Northern will always suffer from a shortage of drivers because of the class of work that is handled as well as the attractions (be them perceived or real ) of working for other TOC's or the attraction of extra money going to a FOC .Other TOC's or FOC's will happilly take qualified drivers from northern as it saves them money . not helped by the fact that it takes so long for a driver to be fully productive .
Its not even a problem that could be solved by simply offering drivers more money
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A guard should be in full safety mode every time they are in charge of dispatching their train , that is where the most significant level of risk occurs to passengers on the railway as it is today .
Excellent counter argument there muz379. I gave up responding as it as like banging my head against a brick wall.