What is the Covid-19 Exit Strategy of 'Zero Covid' countries such as Hong Kong?

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Shanghai's 9-day snap lockdown which started in March ended yesterday.

Masks are still required indoors and outdoors in most public places, and PCR tests 3 times a week.
 

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Shanghai's 9-day snap lockdown which started in March ended yesterday.

Masks are still required indoors and outdoors in most public places, and PCR tests 3 times a week.

On Sky News last night some complete idiot expert was trying to argue that they’ll now be able to return to normal and that the “zero-covid” approach is the right one. No mention of the oppression and suffering. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
 

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Shanghai's 9-day snap lockdown which started in March ended yesterday.
Not for long, it seems:

Multiple neighborhoods in Shanghai were placed back under lockdown only a day after city-wide restrictions were lifted, as China's stringent zero-Covid strategy continues to haunt the financial hub.
Shanghai lifted its two-month lockdown on Wednesday, allowing most of its 25 million residents to leave their communities. But nearly 2 million people were still confined to their homes in areas designated as "high risk" by the government.
At a news conference Thursday, Shanghai officials said seven new Covid cases were detected in the city's Jing'an and Pudong districts, resulting in four neighborhoods being swiftly sealed off and designated as "medium-risk areas" -- meaning residents will be confined to their homes for 14 days.

Meanwhile, I see Hong Kong has reported a significant increase:

Chart showing increase from 40/1m to 50/1m over 3 days
Chart showing increase from 40/1m to 50/1m over 3 days

Due to their absolutely massive number of cases, they very rapidly reached a localised herd immunity, but that was obviously going to fall apart once enough people had mixed and relocated. When it happens I expect another very large wave there.
 

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Not for long, it seems:


The CCP (the Chinese Control-Freak Party, of course), strikes again.

Sooner or later though, presumably the economic damage of this authoritarian nonsense will be so great that they will have to change tack.
 

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Sooner or later though, presumably the economic damage of this authoritarian nonsense will be so great that they will have to change tack.
I don't think so. They have pursued "Zero Covid" for so long and at such a cost it would be impossible for any regime to admit they were wrong, especially such an authoritarian regime as exists in China. Just look at what's happening:

Multiple neighborhoods in Shanghai were placed back under lockdown only a day after city-wide restrictions were lifted, as China's stringent zero-Covid strategy continues to haunt the financial hub.

Shanghai lifted its two-month lockdown on Wednesday, allowing most of its 25 million residents to leave their communities. But nearly 2 million people were still confined to their homes in areas designated as "high risk" by the government.
At a news conference Thursday, Shanghai officials said seven new Covid cases were detected in the city's Jing'an and Pudong districts, resulting in four neighborhoods being swiftly sealed off and designated as "medium-risk areas" -- meaning residents will be confined to their homes for 14 days.


Two million residents confined to barracks for a fortnight because seven - yes SEVEN - cases were detected. This, of course, is utter lunacy but it's been going on for so long that the Chinese government has obviously not yet realised that one definition of madness is to repeatedly do the same thing expecting different results.
 

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Two million residents confined to barracks for a fortnight because seven - yes SEVEN - cases were detected.
Wait until they hear that UK society is functioning perfectly well despite hundreds of thousands of 'active' cases
each day without lockdowns, masks or social distancing - their poor brains would probably explode at the thought! o_O





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Wait until they hear that UK society is functioning perfectly well despite hundreds of thousands of 'active' cases
each day without lockdowns, masks or social distancing - their poor brains would probably explode at the thought! o_O





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But will they ever find out? And if they do will they be allowed to believe it?
 

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On Sky News last night some complete idiot expert was trying to argue that they’ll now be able to return to normal and that the “zero-covid” approach is the right one. No mention of the oppression and suffering. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
Who was it? Was it one of the usual pro-mask suspects?

Shanghai's 9-day snap lockdown which started in March ended yesterday.

Masks are still required indoors and outdoors in most public places, and PCR tests 3 times a week.
According to some people, this means they will be able to keep cases low, however when that fails to occur, they will fumble around for one of their usual excuses.

At least the pro-restriction brigade (well, the few remaining ones who openly admit it these days) have stopped going on about how a contact tracing system can eliminate the virus :lol:
 

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Who was it? Was it one of the usual pro-mask suspects?

I think they were from one of the international organisations but I didn’t catch their name. I’m sure I’ve seen them before though spouting pro-restriction nonsense.
 

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A total of 166 Covid infections in China have been linked to a single bar in the capital Beijing, officials say.
A government spokesman described the outbreak as "ferocious"...
...Chinese officials have reversed the relaxation of some Covid rules in Beijing because of the outbreak...
Hardly surprising!

When will they learn!?
 

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Hong Kong’s covid cases have increased 370% from their base. Unfortunately, their new health secretary appears to be a Zero Covid fanatic.

Their reaction to the inevitable further increase will be interesting. The accusation that the West failed to control covid is ridiculous from a country with such low vaccination rates.

For Hong Kong residents hoping the city will end its strict quarantine policies soon, the city’s new health secretary isn’t likely to inspire confidence.
Lo Chung-mau, approved by Beijing over the weekend as part of new Chief Executive John Lee’s Cabinet, made headlines in February saying that Hong Kong needed to maintain Covid Zero because living with the virus would “get us all killed.” At the time, he said the US and Europe were only easing restrictions because they failed to control Covid-19.
Lo appeared to soften his tone during his first meeting with the press on Sunday, saying that not all of the mainland’s Covid-19 guidelines are right for Hong Kong. He vowed to implement an “evidence-based Covid policy” to allow Hong Kong to reconnect with both the international community and mainland China, echoing a line frequently voiced by other city officials.
“By employing scientific, effective and precise control measures, the maximum results can be achieved with the minimum cost,” Lo said, citing a slogan frequently found in Chinese President Xi Jinping’s speeches and Communist Party propaganda.
Lo, 61, will be a key figure in deciding whether Hong Kong finally backs away from the harsh Covid policies that have cut off the once financial hub from the world, even if main competitor Singapore opens up fully. Alongside a seven-day quarantine for travelers, the city is still forcing some low-infection cases and close contacts into spartan isolation camps while issuing mandatory testing notices to thousands of people almost daily.
The new leader, Lee, who takes office on July 1, has not indicated whether he will change his policy.
Outgoing CEO Carrie Lam said over the weekend Hong Kong’s strict border control measures were “unsustainable,” the South China Morning Post reported. She quoted them as saying the business world was losing patience and a decision on whether to ease policy must be made soon.
 

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Of course I am absolutely sure that Lo Chung-mau is a hypocrite who has complete freedom to do what he wants, and despite being officially a "communist" I am sure he lives an utterly luxurious lifestyle.
 

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Here's the latest bizarre claim from North Korea:


North Korea's Covid outbreak began with citizens touching "alien things" that had fallen near its South Korea border, state media in Pyongyang has claimed.
Citizens were urged to be vigilant around objects that may have blown across the border from the South.
For years activists in the South have flown balloons across the border to send leaflets and humanitarian aid.
In response, Seoul says there is "no possibility" Covid could have crossed the border in that way.
According to North Korea's state media, an official investigation found two people who became infected with Covid early on in the outbreak after coming into contact with unidentified materials near the South Korean border.
An 18-year-old soldier and five-year-old child tested positive for the virus in early April after finding the objects on a hill in Ipho-ri, it reported.
Since then, state media said: "The malignant Covid-19 virus...has rapidly spread in the DPRK [North Korea]."
As a result of the investigation, people in the country are instructed to "vigilantly deal with alien things coming by wind and other climate phenomena and balloons in the areas along the demarcation line and borders."
Anyone who notices a strange object is instructed to report it immediately so it can be swiftly removed by an emergency anti-epidemic team.
Although the report did not mention South Korea directly, Seoul's unification ministry strongly denied the North's explanation for how Covid could have got into the country.
The closed border between the Koreas is one of the most heavily guarded in the world, but defectors and South Korean activists have for years launched balloons across the divide with anti-North Korean messages.

Since late April North Korea has been battling an explosive wave of 4.7 million cases of "fever," believed to be untested Covid infections.
Kim Jong-un described the outbreak in May as the greatest "turmoil to fall on our country since the founding", state media reported.
Until this year the reclusive nation had claimed to be completely Covid-free - although some experts believe the virus may have been circulating before then.
Its population of 25 million is vulnerable due to the lack of a vaccination programme and poor healthcare system, although in recent weeks there have been media reports that Pyongyang has accepted an offer of Chinese-manufactured vaccines.
It's not clear how many North Koreans, if any, have so far been vaccinated.
In the last few weeks officials say the number of new cases has dropped dramatically but many suspect the government of under-reporting the true figures.
The outbreak began some months after the North eased a strict lockdown of its border with China - with freight trains resuming their journeys between the two countries for the first time since early 2020.
Any suggestion that the virus could have entered the country this way, especially as China was dealing with a severe outbreak of the Omicron variant, would have raised difficult and diplomatically sensitive questions, North Korea expert Professor Lim Eul-chul told Reuters news agency.
"If they concluded the virus was from China they would have had to tighten quarantine measures on the border area in a further setback to North Korea-China trade," he said.
 

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